EVOC Clevo P650RP6-G Review (GTX 1060, I7)

++ Main reason to consider:

Very good value/price ratio, lots of connection ports and the upcoming official modded Prema bios

-- Main reason to avoid:

No GPU upgrade option (TB3, MXM), heat


P650RP6 has a “-G” version, which means it supports G-Sync. This is usually the version with the IPS display. I would recommend going with this version

Pro : + Excellent gaming performance for the price with a GTX 1060 + I7-6700HQ
+ No/minimal throttling even under the highest load
+ Official Prema bios, unlocking many options and some more performance probably
+ Discrete GPU mode (G-Sync supported) alongside Optimus functionality (requires a restart)
+ Very comfortable keyboard overall, in my opinion, with very good feedback, response and travel depth and sufficient resistance
+ Cooling system keeps the CPU and GPU temps at reasonable levels while producing relatively low noise
+ Lots of connection ports including 2xmDP 1.3, HDMI 2.0 (not sure; will check), 3xUSB 3.0 + 2xUSB 3.1gen2 Type-C, SIM
+ Relatively low weight and slim body
+ M.2 PCIe NVMe + M.2 SATA + 2.5" SATA bay
+ Good 1080p IPS display (though not great)
+ Speakers are not good, but they have their way with the mids
+ Some level of fan control via software
+ Keyboard leds colors is configurable
+ Very good WiFi solution with good stability, low pings
+ TPM 2.0
+ HIDEvolution specific : optional global warranty (premium), which means two instances free of 2-way global shipping
Con : - No Thunderbolt 3 port
- Most of the keyboard and left palm rest get a little too warm under high load
- Battery running times are relatively short due to smaller battery (vs GT62VR) and same/higher power consumption
- Keyboard key experience is varying across the keyboard, some areas are better
- Screen's outer led can be twisted with some pressure
- 3D performance in some games is lower than in comparable machine (GT62VR, GS43VR)
- Optimus doesn't work well (fires the NV GPU without reason) - solved with fresh OS install
- Getting to the other side of the motherboard in order to change/add RAM is not easy (but not that hard)
- Not a real con, but the two speakers could sound less boxy
- As with other such laptops, the I7-6700HQ can start be a limiting factor to the GPU
- No local warranty internationally (but they offer free shipping internationally)
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EVOC Clevo P650RP6-G

The Clevo P650RP6/-G (or P651RP6-G) is the new Clevo lowest high-end gaming laptop. This kind of laptop offers a [relatively] low cost option for those who want fast 3D performance in a thinner laptop. Some extras are cut out, like Thunderbolt 3 port, in this case. The P650RP6 comes with an I7-6700HQ and a GTX 1060 6GB GPU, as well as an 1080p display. The more common and interesting models come with an 1080p IPS display and G-Sync (these are the “-G” models). It also comes with the usual Clevo abundance of connection and storage ports, including 2xmDP (v1.3, which is good), HDMI 2.0 (is it?), USB 3.1 g.2 type-C, 2xM.2 ports (1xSATA), 2.5″ SATA bay and more. It’s interesting to know that the G-Sync functionality in the P650RP6-G model can be turned off in favor of Optimus via software (requiring a restart) and vice versa, which is a nice thing to have. The next level model is the Clevo P650RS/P651RS that ships with a GTX 1070 instead of a GTX 1060 and we’ll review it soon!

This time, I got the “EVOC P650RP6-G” for a review. EVOC seems to be the new rebrand brand name from house HIDEvolution (link) and seems strangely close to “CLEVO” (I got you HID!). There is nothing different about this model, except it should have a Prema modded bios. Prema, for those who don’t know, is a long time bios modder that unlocked many bioses, mostly known for the Clevo bioses s/he unlocked. It seems that Prema started to work with some resellers like HIDEvolution and Eurocom to provide them with a modded bios, which is great, but I don’t know what it means for the free-to-get modded bios he usually uploading to the site. Unfortunately, the Prema bios is not available for me at this moment and I should retest the machine when it will be available, so at this point, this is a non custom P650RP6-G test.

OK! Let’s start.


Model NamesEVOC P650RP6-G, Clevo P650RP6-G, Sager NP8152
PriceBasic version: $1230 (no G-Sync, no IPS). Specific Configuration: $1350-$1450 P650RP6-G (G-Sync support, 256GB SATA SSD)
CPUI7-6700HQ (2.6GHZ-3.5GHZ, 45W)
MotherboardNotebook P65xRP / Intel HM170 (Skylake PCH-H)
3xPCI Express x1, 3xPCI Express x4, 1xPCI Express x16
GPUNvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5, 1280 shadars core@1405-1671MHZ, GDDR5@2GHZ, 192-bit bus
RAMG Skill 2x8GB DDR4@2400MHZ F4-2400C16-8GRS
4 banks of memory available. Two occupied slots are on the hidden side of the motherboard.
StorageHDD : 1x2.5" SATA bay
SSD: M.2 Sandisk 256GB X400 SanDisk SD8SN8U256G1122 (SATA)
M.2: 2 slots, 1xNVMe PCIe M.2 SSD, 1xM.2 SATA

LCD PanelIn review: 1080p 15.6", LG 156WF6 [DELL P/N: 3874Y], IPS, 30-pin eDP
Weight / Dimensions~2.5kg / 5.5 lbs, PSU 0.7-0.8kg
385 x 271 x 24.9 mm
15.16” x 10.67” x 0.98”
(w x d x h)
Keyboardmulticolor backlit, 4 levels including off
Connection Portsright side: Kensington Lock, RJ-45, 1xUSB 3.0, 2xUSB 3.1 gen2 Type-C, Card Reader, SIM slot, S/PDIF digital output, Microphone, headphone
Left: USB 3.0, HDMI 2.0 (maybe 1.4; will check), 2xmDP 1.3
Rear: 1xUSB 3.0, AC
Camera1080p@30FPS camera
WiFi / EthernetWiFi: Killer Wireless-n/a/ac 1535 Wireless Network Adapter
Ethernet: RealTek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Speakers2x2W Onkyo speakers, above the keyboard surface
Battery4 cell, 62Wh
Bios / EC version (test unit)1.05.01 /
Extra featuresEmbedded TPM 2.0
more details

Build quality, Case, design and looks

The build quality is more or less the same as the previous Clevo P650RE. Outer lid is rather firm against direct 90 degrees pressure, but it can be twisted rather easily and the hinges don’t feel that strong either and should be handled gently. The base unit’s build quality is ok, but not great – you can twist it by holding the opposite corners and twist, but it’s not easy to do so and I wouldn’t worry. Keyboard surface will also yield (a bit!) under high pressure, but that’s also a quality of a keyboard that is easily replaceable. I wouldn’t worry and it’s not interfering with typing.

Overall, build quality is ok, nothing to get fancy about, nothing to worry too much. The screen’s outer lid will provide some protection if the laptop is closed, more than the MSI GS43VR for example.



The P650RP6 looks are the simple plastic with metal finish or metal. It doesn’t look too cheap.  Those who don’t like flashy styling will find such a machine a good option, visually.


Maintenance and inner parts

Maintenance is rather easy. The backplate is easily removed by removing ~10 screws. You’ll find two M.2 storage connections, one of the is a SATA M.2 port and the second one is an M.2 PCIe NVMe port. Two memory slots are free and the other two are located on the back of the motherboard.

EVOC Clevo P650RP6-G motherboard


CPU and GPU are soldered in this machine. The cooling system looks very much like the previous model, with dedicated three heatpipes and two fans for the GPU and two heatpipes for the CPU and a single fan (plus the cooling plate is touching the fan plate). Additional heatpipe connecting both could be great.

Keyboard and touchpad

Keyboard. The keyboard is rather good. I think it is very similar or the same as before: feedback (Have I finished with the click?) and response (how quickly the key is back for another click) are very good. travel depth is good for this kind of keyboard. I do feel that the experience is not even across all keys and it’s slightly felt. Not all keys have the same feedback level (or is it my fingers?). Also, I think that a little more resistance would be good.

The keyboard is a backlit keyboard with programmable colors, which I like very much. Colors seem a little dull compared to the GT62VR, but I liked it nontheless. I took purple and green.

Bottom line – a good keyboard. Not a great keyboard, but a good keyboard. A little more fine tuning and even key quality could be great.

Touchpad. The touchpad is basic with simple texture, but that’s ok. It works well and has two separated buttons. I found it a little annoying to scroll with two fingers as the touchpad would not respond very quickly or well if your fingers aren’t synchronized enough, maybe it’s a software issue. Bottom line, that’s an average touchpad.

Sound & Speakers

Finally sufficient. I may be wrong, but I think Clevo just upped their game with speakers that actually cost more than five cents. The 2 x Onkyo speakers provide boxy, yet pleasant sound, including reasonable bass. I’m not an audiophile, but the mids are a strong point with some richness and deepness, subjectively. Lows and highs are great, but at least they exist, which is better than previous generations (nbc review says it might be the same for the P651RP6, but I don’t remember it like that). Maximal volume isn’t that high and don’t expect to blow the roof with these speakers.

Overall, sufficient speakers. A subwoofer would have been nice. A good upgrade over last generation if I remember correctly.

General subjective performance experience

Added CPU-Z and GPU-Z screenshots.


Gaming Performance

Test Methods & Drivers

OS : Windows 10, fully updated

Drivers: Nvidia Geforce 372.70

Synthetic 3D benchmarks

3DMark, Time Spy 1.0, CompuBench:


Clevo P650RP6 Review - 3DMark benchmark fixed

Clevo P650RP6 GTX 1060 I7-6700HQ Time Spy

Clevo P650RP6 GTX 1060 ComputBenchCL

LuxMark 3.1 Hotel and LuxBall:

luxmark-3-1-luxball luxmark-3-1-hotel

Summarized gaming performance

The numbers are a little low in some benchmarks, like Metro and Ashes Of Singularity. I’ve spent lots of time trying to figure it out, but I couldn’t (still trying). In AoS, the CPU framerate score is a lot lower compared to the GT62VR. 3DMark Time Spy CPU score is also quite low. There is some obvious problem, but I don’t know what it is currently – clocks are very good, temps are relatively low.

UPDATE: A fresh install of Windows 10 1607 seem to improve performance in some games. It also seems that the MSI GT62VR 6RD I was comparing too has a more aggressive GPU policy and higher default core clocks. Not much, but it has some affect.

Clevo P650RP6-G GTX 1060, I7-6700HQ gaming benchmarks

Crysis 3

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Crysis 3 GTX 1060 1080p benchmarks


Thief sees some advantage using Mantle API over the DX11. Heavily Vulkan/DX12 optimized games/game engines should see much higher improvements.

Bioshock Infinite

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Total War : Warhammer

The new Total War stuff. The 3D engine has been vastly improved and performance is much better than in the case of Total War : Attila

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Metro : Last Light

Battlefield 4 Campaign

BF4 campaign benchmark

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World of Tanks

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Shadow Of Mordor

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Ashes Of Singularity

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Pascal GPUs finally see some performance improvements from DX12 utilization.

Utilization seems to be hitting the maximal capacity of the I7-6700HQ in this machine. I suspect that the GTX 1060 doesn’t show it all here, nor in other laptops with an I7-6700HQ probably

Fallout 4

The new Fallout 4 is rather demanding, but the benefits of the high graphics presets are not clear to me.

ARK: Survival Evolved

The new ARK: Survival Evolved is not completely cooked yet, so don’t take these results too hard. The game obviously need some real optimisations, FPSs are really low and it seems that for nothing, more or less.

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Ark Survival GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarks

The Talos Principle

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - The Talos Principles GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarks

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Rise of The Tomb Raider GTX 1060 1080p DX11 vs DX12 benchmarks

No Man's Sky

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Star Wars : Battlefront

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Hitman 2016

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Thermals, Throttling & Noise handling

As described before, the GPU has three dedicated heatpipes and two fans, the CPU has two pipes and one fan. Cool air sucked from the bottom of the machine (hence, it’s important to keep its bottom above the sitting surface) and is thrown from the rear and left ventilation hole.

Four tests:

1. Idle, power saver mode

2. Gaming : Ashes Of Singularity benchmark. “Crazy” settings, “High performance” power mode.

3. Prime95 torture test. “High performance” power mode.

4. Prime95 + Furmark on 900p test, AAx4. “High performance” power mode.

Clevo P650RP6-G Review CPU and GPU temperatures

The P650RP6 does well. It also doesn’t get too noisy in the process.


Under high load, like gaming load, most of the keyboard and left palm rest get a little too warm. The bottom of the P650RP6-G does get a little warm as well, under high load.

The P650RP6 chassis generally does get warm while loading the system, but only under high load it becomes annoying. Also, with “Quiet” and “Power Saver” power mods (via the Clevo Control Center), the machine chassis’ temps will remain reasonable.


As you can see, the clocks are pretty good. Under gaming stress of Ashes of Singularity, the clocks are high, around 3.0-3.1GHZ for the CPU and around 1600-1650MHZ for the GPU core, on average.


Throttle CPU average stable CPU MAX GPU
40 42 41 Idle
2.8 83 86 45 Prime95
2.7 78 83 75 Prime95 + Furmark
3.1 70 73 75 Ashes Of Singularity


The P650RP6 has several use profiles. With “Quiet” or “Entertainment”, the laptop is pretty quiet while doing the usual stuff. Under “performance” mode, the fans noise will be often quite noticeable even when doing non-demanding tasks.

Under full load, the fans do spin much faster and produce higher noise, but relatively not that much and the noise is not too annoying. The laptop is not as quiet as the MSI GT62VR, but not as loud as the GS43VR, for example.

* I should probably get some equipment to do more precise measurements, but these are my subjective impressions.

Screen & Screen quality

The Clevo P650RP6 comes with the same LG LP156WF, which is a partial name. This model is used in other laptops as well and it’s generally good, but not great. PWM could not be detected (although that’s not the panel quality, but the laptop’s quality). I do think that it’s time for a higer quality 1080p IPS display. Contrast and response times should be a lot better in an $1500 laptop, if you ask me. Ofcourse, this “should” isn’t compatible with the market rules.


The XRite i1Display reading (different from the Spyder5Elite):

Contrast White Luminence Black Luminence Screen Brightness
931 311 0.334 100.00%
947 162 0.171 50.00%
947 72 0.076 20.00%
ContrastBrightnessBlack levels
710 297 0.42
92 71 67

Battery Performance

With 62Whr battery, and relatively high power consumption, the battery running times aren’t that great as other laptops with Optimus system.

Clevo P650RP6-G Review battery performance

There was a phenomenon/issue/bug, in “Hybrid” GPU mode, where the Nvidia GPU being fired up for nothing, as a result of clicking some file/app or another, not related to 3D. It shouldn’t happen and it makes battery running times lower compared to laptops with a well working Optimus system.


GPU Overlocking

Overclocking the GTX 1060 was relatively stable. I had no problem with OC at all, but I think that part of the reason is that the GPU policy isn’t too aggressive from the first place. That’s part of the reason why the scores are generally lower than the GT62VR’s scores, I think.

  • +167MHZ for the GPU core (~10 to top non boost clocks). The clocks
  • +400MHZ to GDDR5 (8->8.4GHZ effective, 5% improvement)

The results:

  1. Ashes Of Singularity, DX12, 1080p, “High” preset: 52->55FPS, almost 6% improvement
  2. Fallout 4, Ultra, 1080p, FXAA: 62->63FPS, almost 5% improvement
  3. Crysis 3, VH, SMAAx2: 48->52FPS, around 8% improvement

Some game were less fortunate. I would recommend OC’ing the GPU at least a little. Impact on thermals is not big and another 5% could be nice.



  • “System and Compressed Memory Service” high CPU usage. Had to reinstall Intel and NV drivers as well as Intel’s rapid storage drivers.Never really stopped. Still searching for a solution – seems to be fixed after a fresh install of Windows OS
  • Under high load, sometimes the WiFi could have troubles
  • Nvidia Optimus not working efficiently, firing up the NV GPU when unneeded – seems to be fixed after a fresh install of Windows OS
  • Strange low FPSs in some cases (Ashes Of Singularity, Metro) while no throttling – again, fresh install of the OS improved the performance a bit.

Competing gaming laptops / Alternatives

  • There are some models with GTX 1060 for the same price, if OS and 16GB RAM is included, but many won’t need a new OS copy and can buy cheaper ram themselves. Let’s check some:

    • Asus GL502VM (Amazon, Newegg, eBay), $1300-$1400 without an SSD. Has G-Sync (no Optimus), 1080p IPS display, 16GB 2133MHZ RAM, no MXM, no TB3. Comes with Windows OS.
    • MSI GT62VR 6RD (Amazon), review – Heavier and larger. slightly better cooling., MXM GPU, no Optimus option, same display. Slightly higher FPSs in some games, unclear why.
    • MSI GE62 with the same specs. I can’t see its advantage except being maybe a little more lightweight.
    • 17.3″ version of both
    • Soon: the new Alienware 15 and probably cheaper Gigabyte P55W v6

    GTX 1070 options:

    • Clevo P650RS for around $1500-$1600 for basic configuration
    • Asus GL502VS for around $1550-$1700 (there are deals from time to time)
    • Soon, Alienware 15 and some more

    Generally, at this point I’d recommend waiting with the purchases.


The machine itself is quite convincing. It has it all in today’s standard, with lots of connections ports and storage options, for such a laptop, with good basic components like the keyboard and display. Even the speakers got an upgrade if I’m not mistaken. Build quality is probably not that great, but it’s not that bad either, and there are $1500 laptops that are not as good (GL502?). As a result of this, accompanied by the usual GTX 1060 + I7-HQ performance, the P650RP6 strongest point is its value/price ratio. For around $1300-$1350 you can get the system with G-Sync, 8-16GB RAM (installed alone probably) and a 1TB 7200RPM HDD, no Windows. Some resellers probably have some discounts over this price. So if you don’t need the OS and can find your way with RAM upgrades, you should get a very good laptop with very high value/price for $1300-$1400. Talking about this specific machine from HIDEvolution (The “EVOC” brand), it’s worth mentioning that it would be shipped with a modded Prema bios, officially. The Prema bios should unlock many options and perhaps some more performance – it’s not available at this point.

However, the Asus GL502VM for $1400 with the same specs and Windows OS is a strong competitor, but its thermal performance, connection ports plate and storage options are not as good. Plus less locked bios. UPDATE: The GL502VM (review) isn’t as good as the P650RP6 in my opinion, in more than one aspect: mostly thermals and connection ports selection

Important to note that currently my machine gets considerably lower scores in some benchmarks, no matter what I do. I think it might be something with the OS installation that gone wrong, because there are some other software issues as well. I’ll update about the situation when I’ll have more information. UPDATE: fresh OS install improved the situation. Also, GPU overclocking helped closing the gap with the MSI GT62VR 6RD numbers. Seems like the GT62VR has more aggressive GPU clocking policy. Check Overclocking section. However, it seems that in some games the FPSs are noticeably lower, no matter what I do, even with GPU OC – Metro LL, Ashes Of Singularity (vs GT62VR), Rise Of The Tomb Raider and Crysis 3. The difference isn’t big in most cases, but it’s there and unclear to me. It may be the GPU, but I think it could be something else. Let’s wait for the Prema bios update and see.

At this point of time, as new models are still on their way, I would not recommend getting a laptop for such a price unless you get some amazing deal. But, compared to the competition of 15.6″ low weight gaming laptop, the Clevo P650RP6 has an edge, especially with the Prema bios. However, if you don’t care too much about the smaller body and lower weight, I’d consider the MSI GT62VR instead, which can be found for like $1450-$1550 with 128GB SSD and 1TB, has an MXM GPU, Windows OS and – I think – better thermal, but it has its downsides too (Read).

Bottom line, the P650RP6 is a good machine. It has some competition too, but for a smaller frame gaming laptop, it is on the top of the competition probably, with good connection ports selection, G-Sync + Optimus and a very good thermal solution compared to others, including the Asus GL502VM (same price, but better feature-set and thermals). You should think carefully what are your preferences and weigh your options. Feel free to ask!


  • Legoboy0215

    Hey Junky! I like your review. However, I am considering to get a P670HP6-G, which is the same thing just with a 17″ screen and the new Kaby Lake CPU. Do you recommend getting it? The final price I would get it for (OS + Shipping + International Warranty) is about 1805 USD. Will it be worth the money?

    • Hi! Thanks!

      international warranty? from HIDEvolution?
      $1805 is pretty high compared to US prices. Where are you shipping it to?

      • Legoboy0215

        May I email you some where? I would like to share some other information and I would like to ask some other questions 🙂

  • Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

    Hey junky, I recently got the Sager NP8152 (P650RP6-G). Everything was fine with the laptop until one day when it started crashing to the blue screen all of a sudden. I then decided to clean install Windows 10 and formatted both the Sandisk X400 128GB SSD and the 1 TB HDD it came with. I couldn’t complete the installation process as it shows the error code 0x80070570 and it stops at 60%. This makes me wonder if there is any specific method to install the operating system correctly. I may be wrong. You mentioned that you have successfully installed the operating system on a similar machine. Could you please explain what you did to make the installation happen. Thanks in advance.

    • Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

      I have tried all the possible solutions to avoid that error but nothing seems to work so far

    • Hi Anurag!

      I certainly don’t know what happened, but the first thing I would do in your case is check the basic hardware components hardware – RAM and HDD first. You can try and remove one stick of RAM and see if this error returns. You can also use memtest freeware
      If the error persists, you can try and install the OS on the HDD just to check

      How about warranty?

      • Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

        Hey. Thanks for the reply. I have tried installing the OS on multiple drives. I think its the RAM fault as well. The problem is I only have a single 8 GB stick of RAM. I was able to install the OS earlier by using rufus for creating bootable USB. But the OS was crashing with an error MEMORY_MANAGEMENT which made me believe that it’s a RAM issue. I tried to repeat the installation the same way but I couldn’t replicate the process. I have tried the stick in different slots but that makes less sense when it’s the stick’s fault. I wonder if any BIOS setting is preventing the completion of installation. Please leave your opinion. Thanks.

      • Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

        As far as the warranty is concerned, I’ve got the Sager 2 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty.

        • where is your other comment?

          1. only one stick of 2133MHZ will probably limit the performance! Either get a 2400MHZ stick or better – get another 8GB, because some games will use more than you have
          2. I would first talk to Sager, maybe they can send you replacement ahead of time
          3. You can buy a 2x8GB DDR4 ram in the meanwhile

          • Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

            The one stick I have is a 2400Mhz one. I thought of upgrading the RAM after a few months but another problem is that Sager uses some RAM from a company called Goldkey which I could not find anywhere and when I spoke to Sager’s sales person, he mentioned that they are even selling the same exact RAM if anyone wanted to upgrade in the future. But I cannot see the RAM anywhere on their website. Anyway I will talk to Sager on this issue and please keep me updated if you find any possible solution too. Thanks.

            • 1. You can use HWInfo or CPU-Z to find your exact ram module, but it doesn’t matter. You can use other RAM as well, as long as it is 2400MHZ DDR4
              2. Why don’t you want to use the warranty? wouldn’t it save you some money?
              3. Where do you live? USA?

              • Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

                I live in the United States. Will the warranty cover this since I opened the back panel to swap the hard drives?

                • As far as my experience goes, yes, it should cover it

                • Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

                  Thanks man. I am currently in India. Will contact Sager computers once I land in the US in a week. I’ll be trying to play with all the BIOS settings to see if I find a way. I’ll keep you updated about the entire thing too.

  • Rikawa

    Hey Junky, first congratulations for this excellent review! I live in Brazil and have a friend visiting me on next month. After some research, I’ve come to this:

    Clevo Prostar P650RP6 15.6″ FHD/Matte Display, Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 16GB DDR4, GTX 1060 6GB, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 Home for $1,200 Shipped

    I think the G sync version is better, but for this price what is your opinion? I just play occasionally. It wasn’t on my plans to spend this much on a laptop, but I think it’s a good idea to take this opportunity of my friend travel, just for you have a idea of how expensive things are here, a laptop similar to this here costs like $4,000.

    Anyway, I would really appreciate your opinion, or if would be a better choice in this 1,200 price tag.

    Thank you!

    • Thanks Rikawa!

      Well, that’s a nice price, but:
      a. new laptops with the new Kaby Lake CPU should be available soon. Not much for performance, but lower temperatures. Not that important.
      b. You might want to find something with global warranty, which you’ll be able to use in Brazil

      Anyway, for $1200 that’s a nice deal. You can probably find laptops with better specs for the same price or a little more though. What exactly are you looking for?

      • Rikawa

        Hi Junky, thanks for your fast reply. Today I just received a email from newegg saying that they will offer me a free upgrade: “Thank you for your order, I would just like to notify you that we are looking to give you a free upgrade to your unit. The upgraded model is the P650HP6 and the only difference between this model and the P650RP6 is the processor and the screen. The processor will be upgraded to the i7 7700HQ processor as well as an upgrade to the IPS screen. We must have a reply back with your permission in order to make that change for you, please feel free to reply back at your convenience. Thank you for your time.”

        So now, what do you think? I’m pretty much accepting this offer now. But would like to know your opnion before.

        Is the difference just what the said? Does it come with Gsync? Aesthetically appear to be different too, the new one looks bulkier.

        You asked me what I am looking for. Just a good laptop that will last let´s say 3-4 years for good 1080p game playing.

        Thank you!

        • Nice!

          Yes, probably comes with GSync, but usually it has a “-G” suffix when it does
          Are you sure? Even not Dell or Lenovo warranty?

  • Eric Fan

    This might seem dumb, but how big is the power brick? Is it bulky or small?

    • I should really give more measures, don’t I?
      It wasn’t the biggest of them, but it is relatively big and weighs around 700-800 grams

      • Eric Fan


  • Ric

    Hey Junky, hey guys, first of all sry for my bad english, but i’m trying my best! 😉

    Just looking for a replacement for my shitty Packard Bell laptop from 2010. I definitly wanna go for a Clevo 15″ with gtx 1070, this only out of mobility reasons. I’m fine with FHD and a 6700HQ-CPU.
    I’m comparing these Barebones now for weeks, from resellers like Schenker/XMG, Mifcom, Sager, ….. , but i cannot figure out the difference between the following two:

    P650RS-G and P651RS-G

    Can someone help me out? I checked directly on the Clevo webpage to compare these two models, but i cannot see any f***** difference (o.O).
    Schenker/XMG for example only uses the P651RS-G, most of the other resellers the P650RS-G.

    Thx in advance, loved the review btw!!


    • Hi Ric!!

      Yes, I’ve tried figuring it out myself and found no easy differences. It might be something small, with some kind of certifications, power cord or I don’t know what.. Anyway, I don’t think there is significant differences for gaming and such

      This is a big jump from this packard bell to a GTX 1070 laptop

      • Ric

        Hahaha, u’re so right!! The Packard Bell was a bad choice, had to send it back twice, ofc shortly after the warranty expired (planned obsolescence -.-). But i still can play Dota2 and some other games on it, but i finished uni recently and now i’m allowing myself this little baby!

        Btw, this would be the “one” 🙂

        Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 4x 2.6 GHz (Skylake)
        Kingston – 8 GB DDR4-2400 (1x8GB) HyperX Impact (SO-DIMM)
        NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5, (P650RS-G) <—————————————— !!!
        SanDisk Z410 – SSD 480 GB, SD8SBBU-480G, SATA-600
        Intel Wireless M.2, 867 Mbit WLAN + Bluetooth 4.2 (8260)
        15,6" (39,6cm), Full-HD (1920×1080)

        1.864,90 EUR

        I can get a Samsung SM961-NVMe M.2 PCIe x4 cheaper somewhere else, also additional RAM and Win10pro, so i end up with approx. 2200 EUR.

        The stuff on the US market is so much cheaper, damn……..

        Thx man!!

        • That’s really high price..
          Just as an example, you can get this one for less with SSD and 16GB RAM : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-ROG-GL502VS-DB71-HID3-i7-6700HQ-2-6-3-5GHz/dp/B01KFG3PVO/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1480511285&sr=1-4&keywords=gtx+1070

          Also, you can order one from the US with international warranty

          • Ric

            Yes, it is quite expensive. But the Asus is so ugly, also the MSI. I like the purity of the Clevo’s and the cooling system is A+… if you got the right settings ofc (!). I wait for christmas to come to maybe get a XMG with same specs, the support is awesome, a friend of mine got one. Otherwise i go with the one posted.

            I was thinking also about the unsoldered versions, but upgrading/replacing CPU/GPU isn’t rly affordable. What do you think?

            • Ric

              And ordering from the US, i thought about it, even from the UK coz its EU, but just imagine something is wrong with ur baby. u got to wait weeks over weeks (distance/shipping costs/…).

              • Some laptops like MSI, Asus and the Alienwares have global warranty and you’ll be able to use it locally. May be worth the big difference in price..

                • Ric

                  I just dont like their style 🙂 as u said, 14 year old gamer looks 😉

            • 1. I’m with you on that one – zero branding, nice solid looks, no 14-years old gamer looks (-:

              2. Changing the MXM GPU – well, my way of thinking about it is that you’ll be able to purchase previous generation GPU for low price relatively. Like, when the Nvidia 1200 series will be out, you will be able to get the 1100 series for less. In your case it could be worth it, because you are going to purchase a very high priced laptop, which means it will also lose its value pretty quickly and steeply, making it better to upgrade then to replace

              The bigger problem is the laptop life time..

              • Ric

                I hope you are right! But if u think about in which direction the industrie is going, well, what every industry practices for the last 110 years already, is that they want to sell as much as possible. So everything is put on the market slicewise and/or of low quality.
                In terms of durabiltiy and ofc compatibility i reckon u have to replace at least your motherboard to not have issues with bottlenecking* (is that a word in engl?) in some sort.

                You just hope that the hardware doesn’t have any defects. If the cooling system works properly and there are options to clean the shit out of it, then it may last a couple of years 🙂 not sure about an Asus in this case. Asus produces beautiful screens (Clevo not –> screenbleeding (thx LG)), almost as good as the EIZO ones, but laptopwise? hmmm, not sure….

                • 1. not necessarily sell more, but they do some calculation of overall income, given some restrictions (like, it’s harder now to use black slaves without being scolded, so they only use almost-slaves in Africa and modern slavery)

                  2. I’m not native English speaker, ask someone who knows lol (-:

                  3. I don’t think it will bottleneck, at least not seriously. The MXMs in these laptops use PCIe v.3 x16 bus, which is great for even faster GPUs + as time goes on, they use the bandwidth more efficiently (for example, but compressing the data better)

                  4. The laptop screens are nothing special, they almost all use some LG LP156WF variant (in the 1080p case), maybe because of the GSync and maybe because of the costs. These are ok IPS panels, not great

                  • Ric

                    Your english is awesome, bro! i’m german, i spent a couple of years abroad (Australia/Asia) but i’m realizing while texting you how fast language skillz can fade…. where are u from btw?

                    I havent rly heard of screenbleeding issues with other brands who are not using the Clevos, maybe it’s a problem with the their adjustment of the screen chassis? Dunno, im feared of getting a bad one tho 😉

                    So u would recommend an MXM version? Schenker/XMG would be an option then….

                    • Ric

                      a* MXM version

                    • Ric

                      However, the search goes on i suppose 😉

                      Appreciated your time, u seem to do a great job with reviewing stuff and helping out all these people.

                      Thx so much.

                    • The people help me too. Usually I’ll go for months without doing almost anything thanks to the blues ..

                      I feel that shelling $2000-$2500 for such a machine is really too much. I’ll consider getting a GTX 1060 laptop from the US or something and replace it in a year or so

                    • Ric

                      ok. but why paying at least 1400 for a laptop with a gtx 1060 and then replace it in a year? u mean selling it? and then gettin what? new 1100 series?

                      That would be a MXM version btw:

                      P751DM2-G <———- did u alrdy reviewed this one?

                      Intel Core i7-6700K, 4×4.0 GHz Quadcore (Skylake)
                      16GB DDR4-2133 (2x8GB) (SO-DIMM)
                      NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 8GB, G-Sync
                      Samsung SM961-NVMe 256 GB (MZVPW256HEGL), M.2 PCIe x4 SSD
                      Samsung 850 PRO – SSD 256 GB, MZ-7KE256, SATA-600
                      Intel Wireless M.2, 433 Mbit WLAN + Bluetooth 4.2 (3165NGW)
                      38.6 x 26.2 x 0.7-3.6cm, 3.4kg

                      2033 EUR <———-dafu*! only win10pro for add. 30 EUR and thats it, actually cheaper than the other one o.O

                    • Ric

                      For the Volta-GPU, GDDR6 , 7-nm , HBM3 and stuff u got to wait until 2018 tho 🙁

                    • Hmm, interesting. How come it is cheaper? and why do you need another Samsung 850 Pro! get a nice cheap SSD if you really want, or a fast 1TB HDD, it would be better

                    • Ric

                      I dont rly know, i configurated it 3 times. the company seems to be quite reputable. i even contacted them via chat on their page to ask for the mxm version and if they could apply proper thermal paste. They answered straight away and rly seem to be on the level. 450 EUR less than XMG with same specs. thats awesome, even better than the Clevos from Hyrican.

                      i’ll keep u posted!!

    • Ceo

      The difference between those 2 is the texture of the lid, one is brushed aluminium and one is sandblased, if i recal corectly.

  • jonessy

    In term of price, are GTX 1060 laptops more closer to GTX 970M laptop or GTX 960M laptop?

    • I think it replaces the GTX 970M, but it seems a bit different. There are laptops with a GTX 1070 for what was the GTX 970M price range previously.
      However, to get a laptop with a GTX 1070 and a CPU that won’t bottleneck it, you’ll have to pay some extra

      • jonessy

        As I thought the manufacturer is not so generous, I was thinking GTX 1060 laptop price would be almost similar to GTX 960M laptop price, but I guess because of the advanced technology, the price become advanced too 😐

        “to get a laptop with a GTX 1070 and a CPU that won’t bottleneck it,” => what kind of CPU that won’t bottleneck? Is it must be core i7 HQ ?

        If there is GTX 970M laptop with price cheaper than GTX 1060 laptop, do you think it’s better to take the 970M laptop ?

        • I don’t think it was meant to replace the GTX 960M, even though the name may suggest that. The GTX 1050 should be a lot faster than a GTX 960M and would be probably replace it for the same price

          From the current options, I’d say a desktop I5/I7 with high frequency or the I7-6820HK (overclockable), but the desktop parts are better because they are less limited

          Depends on the price. If you can find a GTX 970M for $800-$900 (and you might), then the performance probably be higher than a GTX 1050. Another option – Alienware 15 R2 (previous generation) + Alienware Amplifier OR something like the Acer VN7-592G, XPS 9550 or Asus G501VW with TB3 port + some TB3 eGPU box. You’ll have to read through the internet to make sure you can use a TB3 eGPU

  • Justing6

    Hey, I’ve been having a hell of a time deciding on a Pascal laptop, so every review is appreciated. Just a quick question: are the battery numbers from after you resolved the optimus problem by reinstalling or are they from when you still had issues? Also forgive me if I’m blind, but I can’t find the legend for what green and red mean on the battery graph.

    • 1. I hope that’s the top Hellish thing you’ll ever know
      2. Not blind, my fault. Green = Optimus mode
      3. What issue with Optimus?

      • Justing6

        “Nvidia Optimus not working efficiently, firing up the NV GPU when unneeded – seems to be fixed after a fresh install of Windows OS”

        I’m guessing the numbers are from after your fresh install, because 4 hours web browsing with optimus sounds about right for the small 60wh pack.

        • Correct! Though it is not efficient yet, in my opinion. I don’t think this is a bug, but simply an aggressive performance policy. Systems with high power efficiency in “mind” and a “U”/I5 CPUs will have much lower total power requirements for low load levels (but usually it’s the same for movies, for the same series, like Skylake)

          • Justing6

            It still looks fine to me. Its slightly less efficient than say an alienware 15 R2 on optimus after you normalize their battery sizes (96WH in the R2 lasts for ~7.5hrs web browsing at 150nits, this scaled up would last about 6.5hrs with the same size battery) but still outperforms anything else with g-sync and no optimus at all. Even the Aorus x5 v6 and its 94WH battery can only manage 180 minutes web browsing with no optimus (although all of its parts are little more power hungry).

            • I should say that often bios updates change power consumption characteristics

              The Aorus is much more expensive. What exactly are you looking for?

  • Calaad

    I see your advice is to wait for other models to come out, but I can’t see any model with the same specs and as slim coming out any time soon. The Alienware 15 doesn’t have anything special from what I’m seeing, TB3/eGPU isn’t really useful for laptops with 10xx cards : the Core already bottlenecks a 1080. A 1060’s TDP won’t fit in the XPS 15 chassis. The Blade 1060 seems to be an oven.

    Am I missing something ?

    • Hi!

      1. Maybe you’re not missing
      2. The Core perhaps bottlenecks GPUs like the 1080, but: a. it doesn’t mean that the performance and performance/price aren’t a lot higher and b. In the last generations, required bandwidth for the same performance has been reduced over and over again. Meaning, maybe in 1-2 GPU generations, a TB3 eGPU will be more beneficial (like with a GTX 1260)
      3. You’re certainly right, an eGPU is a lot more interesting in the case of lower end, cheaper laptops. That’s also why we don’t see it as much (-: Though I suspect that the next generation “business” class laptops like the Latitude E5/E7XXX will have TB3
      4. Didn’t understand your comment about the XPS 15 – why would it need to fit inside the XPS 15?
      5. Finally, I think a model with the desktop class CPUs may be interesting, like the Eurocom Tornado F5
      6. If you are talking about the US, CUKUSA has 10% off now, if it helps you

      What do you think?

      • Calaad

        Thanks for answering so fast !

        When you say I’m not missing, do you mean that there won’t be any other good option for a thin laptop with a 1060 coming soon ? Why do you think we should wait before buying the Clevo ?

        I didn’t know bandwidth requirement was getting lower with time, in that case TB3 eGPU has some potential indeed !

        For the XPS 15, I was listing the possible good laptops coming any time soon that would compete with this Clevo, and all I really found was the Alienware because the XPS 15 won’t be able to have such a high end GPU. I’m not sure if I’m clear English isn’t my first language sorry.

        Do you have any thoughts on the Razer blade 1060 coming soon ? I was considering it until I found out it runs extremely hot.

        • 1. The XPS 15 will be able to run a GTX 1060 via TB3. The power supply of the GPU is usually external and not via the laptop
          2. Another thing about the bandwidth – if you connect the eGPU to an external display (or if they’ll start implementing video in), you can save some of the bandwidth
          3. English isn’t my first language. You should hear me speak
          4. The Blade is too expensive and I can’t see its advantages. The GS43VR has a TB3 too and you can get it now for $1350. The previous generation MSI GS40VR is known to work with the Razer Core according to people over the web.. So, the GS40VR is also an option
          5. Waiting – because sometimes some price contest helps reducing the prices. A good laptop to consider – the Eurocom Tornado F5, which has a desktop CPU and MXM GPU. According to the specs sheet, also TB3, but we’ll see if that’s true

          • Calaad

            Yes but carrying the XPS + eGPU setup like the core is much worse than carrying just a 1060 laptop like this Clevo. And the main reason someone would get an XPS over another laptop is portability so I don’t think the XPS is a good alternative to this Clevo if you want to play AAA games on it.

            Thanks for the info on external display !

            I read that the GS43 has a very dangerous cooling system with heatpipes going over important components like the wifi card and the chipset ( here : http://pile3.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/MSI-GS43VR-Motherboard-shot-1024×714.jpg on the top left corner when looking at the open chassis). I also read that the Blade has a very bad cooling system without an heatspreader, the heatpipes make direct contact with the CPU/GPU ( here : http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/photo-feb-20-6-36-36-pm-jpg.121938/ )… what do you think ?

            Yes it’s a great option for performance but I really want something portable. If the Blade was well built with better cooling it would be my ideal laptop. The only laptop I see with a 1060, good cooling, good quality, Ok battery and relatively slim profile is this Clevo. What do you think, is there any other laptop that fits these criterias ?

            • Thanks for the info!

              1. eGPU indeed not intended for carrying like a laptop
              2. I actually noticed it in the GS43VR, but I’m not sure if it had problem with Wifi while gaming. A more thorough test should check if the Wifi benefits from the heatpipes or not (or it doesn’t matter). Though, I must say, high quality WiFi card doesn’t cost much. The real problem is that manufacturers design laptops to die after few years..
              3. What do you mean by the that the heatpipes in direct contact with the CPU/GPU? Usually, the VRAM will be connected to the heatpipes via some block. I don’t know that it matters or bad. Not sure it touches it really. Temps can be measured
              4. Yes, the Clevo is a pretty good offering (also due the connection ports selection, including mDP 1.3 and HDMI 2.0). Maybe the Asus GL502VM? I have it for a review. Though I don’t think its cooling system is as good.

              Did you see what I write about the desktop CPU?

              • Calaad

                I think the wifi cannot benefit from the heat pipes, it’s the oppositie it could cause problems because the heatpipe doesn’t touch the card, it just goes over it meaning it will actually heat the wifi card and not cool it.

                That’s very true, it seems most company design products thinking it’ll last 2 years at best.

                Usually a CPU/GPU cooler uses a heatsdpreader, like you can see here on the clevo (big quare of copper under the heatpipes). This allows the die to be cooled uniformly because the heatspreader spreads the heat, then the heatpipes carry that heat away to the fans. But in designs like the Razer Blade there is no heatspreader. The heatpipes make direct contact with the die meaning only the parts right under the heatpipe is cooled, not the entire die. For a low perf CPU/GPU it might not be an issue but on something as powerful as a 6700HQ/1060 it would be very bad and very hot.

                I saw what you wrote on the eurocom with the desktop cpu yes, it looks nice but way too big for me sadly. But it would be a great desktop replacement.

                Your reviews are fine :). But yes you could go really in depth it would really set you apart from the rest ! There are very few people who take the time to really review laptops in depth, if you did you’d become a reference !

                • Yes, I know that a heatspreader is usually used and spreads the heat, but it doesn’t mean that not having a heatspreader will harm the laptop. Memory is generally a quite reliable component and remember that there are DDR4 2400MHZ sticks without heatspreaders nor pipes at all, and this kind of memory works 24/7 for years (if it’s not faulty from the start). The bigger problem is that the RAM or VRAM there is soldered to the motherboard – what do you do if there is one little problem in one of these chips? that’s a real problem

                  I really don’t know about the WiFi – generally it’s a bad habit to heat up components.. But it’s also depends on the component itself and what’s actually going on. Anyway, the WiFi card shouldn’t be a dealbreaker.
                  But, yea, if you don’t want eGPU that much and don’t care about the size and weight that much, I see no real good reason to go with the GS43VR.

                  I would consider the GT62VR – it’s only around 0.4 more than the P650RP6 or something like that, and I think it has a somewhat better cooling, except the MXM GPU. What do you think?

                  But, what it shows the most, is how much poured into marketing and branding and how much in the laptop itself. It’s all on purpose – we could also had eGPUs long ago (with all due respect for the hype).

                  It’s time for an open source community laptop, doesn’t it?

                  • Calaad

                    Thanks for the great discussion 🙂

                    Yes it’s perfectly fine for RAM, but I’m not talking about RAM the Blade doesn’t have heatspreaders for the CPU and GPU, that’s the issue!

                    You’re right for the GS43, but considering how expensive these machines are I’m a bit paranoid, I want them to last ahah !

                    The GT62 is nice but 0.4 inch is 40% more thickness compared to the Clevo, that’s a lot !

                    Very true, nowadays buying a laptop is so hard because you have to check everything the company says. So much marketing bullshit :/.

                    An open source community laptop would be AWESOME !

                    • Indeed, I didn’t realize that. Are you sure this is the case? Even a CPU with a heatspreader which is not well attached will get very hot in a very short time. Doesn’t make sense..

                      The GT62VR is more dimensional, you could say, but maybe you should see it in practice and consider it anyway. So what if it’s fatter!

                    • Calaad

                      Yes, Razer even commented saying it was an engineering choice, that it works fine blablabla.
                      Looks like marketing bullshit to me, but I’m no engineer.

                      That’s the price to pay to get a 0.8 inch thick gaming laptop it seems. It works okay-ish with the 970m, but the 1060 has a higher TDP and a smaller die… I think the temps wil be very scary or the GPU will be throttled to death.

                      I’ll do that yes, seeing it might change my mind. I care because I travel a lot, so I need my laptop to not take too much room in my backpack because I need to pack clothes etc.

                    • We should be open minded about technology. But, indeed, the Razer is hot.
                      About the TDP – I don’t know why, but HWInfo shows 75W more or less, for the mobile GTX 1060, while the 1060 almost always gets very high clocks (like around 1650 on average in the GT62VR). Maybe it’s just the core, without the VRAM? or maybe the readings are wrong. Any information?

                • and thanks for the comments!

            • you know, you’re right, I should test these things more thoroughly

  • Mr R

    Hey i’ve got a question about the 17,3 inch series (P670RP6-G). Is there a huge difference in specs between the 2. Like cooling wise?

    thanks for reading
    kind regards

    • If anything, I guess that the P670RP6-G should have a better cooling. Otherwise, I don’t know, specifications seem very much alike except weight and dimensions

      • Mr R

        thanks for the reply, I am considering getting the P650RP6-G but wasn’t sure what the smarter thing to do was. But because of the 15 inch is 150 euro cheaper i think i am going to get that one.

        Thanks for the review on the laptop, really appreciate it!

        • Wait for other models, no? Alienware 15 and stuff

          • MR R

            Hmm didn’t hear from that one yet. Is it much better price/performance rate?

            • mr r

              Because i am looking at the alienware 15 now and the price is much higher then the clevo.

              • How much?
                Consider the fact that it has Thunderbolt 3 and the Amplifier option (but it depends on the price, ofcourse). Consider the MSI GT62VR, Gigabyte P55Wv6, new Acer G9-593

                • Mr R

                  I can get these specs (i live in Holland btw) so ordering from amazon is not really an option:

                  Processor Intel Core i7 Quad Core Processor 6700HQ (2.60GHz, 3.50GHz Turbo)
                  Videocard NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 – 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM – DirectX 12.1, G-Sync
                  RAM 8GB HyperX IMPACT 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
                  Hard drive 500GB SERIAL ATA III 2.5″ HARD DRIVE WITH 32MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
                  SSD 240GB KINGSTON UV400 2.5″ SSD, SATA 6 Gb (550MB/R, 490MB/W)
                  Communication GIGABIT LAN & KILLER™ WIRELESS-AC 1535 M.2 GAMING 802.11AC + BLUETOOTH 4.1
                  Drives Without CD player
                  Battery Defiance Series 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (60WH)
                  Without windows I can get that myself alot cheaper then 100 euro they charge for it.

                  Price 1481,08 euro
                  15,6 inch Clevo P650RP6-G GTX 1060

                  Thanks for the help by the way really appreciate it!

                  • Did you add the SSD? that’s a lower end SSD, not sure it’s worth the money
                    Is it configurable?

                    • MR R

                      Yea i can choose between different SSD’s i dont know if it is configurable. I dont know that much about the hardware just yet. But i am learning :)!
                      120GB HyperX SAVAGE 2.5″ SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 560MB/sR | 360MB/sW) (costs more € 69,76)
                      240GB KINGSTON UV400 2.5″ SSD, SATA 6 Gb (550MB/R, 490MB/W) (costs more € 79,98) The one I have now
                      240GB BiWIN 2.5″ SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 559MB/sR | 514MB/sW) (costs more € 80,13)
                      240GB HyperX SAVAGE 2.5″ SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 560MB/sR | 530MB/sW) (costs more € 104,17)
                      250GB Samsung 850 2.5″ EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW) (costs more € 105,51)
                      480GB BiWIN 2.5″ SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 564MB/sR | 513MB/sW) (costs more € 110,68)

                      Those are the ones i have to choose from

                    • 1. You can buy and install it yourself
                      2. But, if you don’t want to do it (and maybe it’s not worth it in terms of time and effort, unless you want to try), the Samsung 850 is a much better option from all of these

                    • mr r

                      hmm will for sure consider choosing the samsung 850 then. I don’t really wanna mess with a new laptop so adding another ssd wont be an option for the mean time. Just one more question why is the samsun 850 much better than the kingston? As i said i am a newb in these sort of stuff but would like to learn 😀

                    • OK, have been a little research (as I should have done before recommending the EVO 850), seems like the SAVAGE is pretty good

                      you can get it, yea, though the 850 EVO is a safe bet

                      Anyway, both SSD will probably make you very satisfied. I’m using a much lower performance SSD..

                    • mr r

                      Hihi Thanks for the time 🙂 and answering all my questions. Will most certainly do something with this information. My plan is to buy a new laptop in circa 1-2 months so it will most probably be the Clevo because all the other comparable laptops are a lot more expensive here in the Netherlands.

            • In the US, the price is higher (around $150-$200), but the AW15 has the TB3/eGPU advantage. If the price at your place is much higher, it’s probably not worth it
              And yes, I’d go with the 15.6″ version over the 17.3″ if the price difference is big

  • Richard Soriano

    how about the new alienware 2016 with core i5 6th gen and gtx 1060 for $1350?

    • Yea, I just saw it. It does look nice, mostly because of its upgrade options (both TB3 and Amplifier options, though the Amplifier may be slower)
      Keep in mind that for $1350 (before tax), it includes only an I5-6300HQ, which I’m pretty sure, not enough for a GTX 1060 – not by cores and not by clocks

      What do you think?

      • Richard Soriano

        yah i think your right. i guess i’ll wait a bit more probably the price will go down…

        • Usually they have 10% off and stuff like that. Also, other systems should be available soon. Generally – don’t buy the stuff I’m reviewing when I’m reviewing it..

          • Richard Soriano

            well, so far the cheapest laptop that i found with gtx 1060 atleast is the sager but it doesn’t have a ssd and only has TN panel wich i don’t like. i think its expensive to buy a gaming laptop right now.

            • Richard Soriano

              mostly i played dota 2 like 70% but i like to play some hardcore games that’s why i consider powerful GPU.

              • Dota 2 doesn’t need GTX 1060. Even 30% of the GTX 1060 performance will suffice for 1080p. For other games – well, it depends on you. You might want to wait for cheaper machines with a GTX 1050

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