- Build quality, Case and design and looks
- Keyboard and Trackpad
- Sound and Speakers
- General subjective performance experience
- Gaming Performance
- Test methods and drivers
- Synthetic 3D benchmarks
- Summarized gaming performance
- Crysis 3
- Bioshock Infinite
- Total War : Warhammer
- Metro : Last Light
- Battlefield 4 Campaign
- World of Tanks
- Shadow Of Mordor
- Ashes Of Singularity
- Fallout 4
- ARK: Survival Evolved
- The Talos Principle
- Rise of the Tomb Raider
- No Man's Sky
- Star Wars : Battlefront
- Hitman 2016
- Thermals, Throttling & Noise handling
- Screen / Screen quality
- Overlocking GTX 1060 6GB
- Competing gaming laptops / alternatives
++ Main reason to consider:
Very good value/price ratio, lots of connection ports and the upcoming official modded Prema bios
-- Main reason to avoid:
No GPU upgrade option (TB3, MXM), heat
P650RP6 has a “-G” version, which means it supports G-Sync. This is usually the version with the IPS display. I would recommend going with this version
+ No/minimal throttling even under the highest load
+ Official Prema bios, unlocking many options and some more performance probably
+ Discrete GPU mode (G-Sync supported) alongside Optimus functionality (requires a restart)
+ Very comfortable keyboard overall, in my opinion, with very good feedback, response and travel depth and sufficient resistance
+ Cooling system keeps the CPU and GPU temps at reasonable levels while producing relatively low noise
+ Lots of connection ports including 2xmDP 1.3, HDMI 2.0 (not sure; will check), 3xUSB 3.0 + 2xUSB 3.1gen2 Type-C, SIM
+ Relatively low weight and slim body
+ M.2 PCIe NVMe + M.2 SATA + 2.5" SATA bay
+ Good 1080p IPS display (though not great)
+ Speakers are not good, but they have their way with the mids
+ Some level of fan control via software
+ Keyboard leds colors is configurable
+ Very good WiFi solution with good stability, low pings
+ TPM 2.0
+ HIDEvolution specific : optional global warranty (premium), which means two instances free of 2-way global shipping
- Most of the keyboard and left palm rest get a little too warm under high load
- No MXM GPU
- Battery running times are relatively short due to smaller battery (vs GT62VR) and same/higher power consumption
- Keyboard key experience is varying across the keyboard, some areas are better
- Screen's outer led can be twisted with some pressure
- 3D performance in some games is lower than in comparable machine (GT62VR, GS43VR)
- Optimus doesn't work well (fires the NV GPU without reason) - solved with fresh OS install
- Getting to the other side of the motherboard in order to change/add RAM is not easy (but not that hard)
- Not a real con, but the two speakers could sound less boxy
- As with other such laptops, the I7-6700HQ can start be a limiting factor to the GPU
- No local warranty internationally (but they offer free shipping internationally)
The Clevo P650RP6/-G (or P651RP6-G) is the new Clevo lowest high-end gaming laptop. This kind of laptop offers a [relatively] low cost option for those who want fast 3D performance in a thinner laptop. Some extras are cut out, like Thunderbolt 3 port, in this case. The P650RP6 comes with an I7-6700HQ and a GTX 1060 6GB GPU, as well as an 1080p display. The more common and interesting models come with an 1080p IPS display and G-Sync (these are the “-G” models). It also comes with the usual Clevo abundance of connection and storage ports, including 2xmDP (v1.3, which is good), HDMI
2.0 (is it?), USB 3.1 g.2 type-C, 2xM.2 ports (1xSATA), 2.5″ SATA bay and more. It’s interesting to know that the G-Sync functionality in the P650RP6-G model can be turned off in favor of Optimus via software (requiring a restart) and vice versa, which is a nice thing to have. The next level model is the Clevo P650RS/P651RS that ships with a GTX 1070 instead of a GTX 1060 and we’ll review it soon!
This time, I got the “EVOC P650RP6-G” for a review. EVOC seems to be the new rebrand brand name from house HIDEvolution (link) and seems strangely close to “CLEVO” (I got you HID!). There is nothing different about this model, except it should have a Prema modded bios. Prema, for those who don’t know, is a long time bios modder that unlocked many bioses, mostly known for the Clevo bioses s/he unlocked. It seems that Prema started to work with some resellers like HIDEvolution and Eurocom to provide them with a modded bios, which is great, but I don’t know what it means for the free-to-get modded bios he usually uploading to the site. Unfortunately, the Prema bios is not available for me at this moment and I should retest the machine when it will be available, so at this point, this is a non custom P650RP6-G test.
OK! Let’s start.
|Model Names||EVOC P650RP6-G, Clevo P650RP6-G, Sager NP8152|
|Price||Basic version: $1230 (no G-Sync, no IPS). Specific Configuration: $1350-$1450 P650RP6-G (G-Sync support, 256GB SATA SSD)|
|CPU||I7-6700HQ (2.6GHZ-3.5GHZ, 45W)|
|Motherboard||Notebook P65xRP / Intel HM170 (Skylake PCH-H)|
3xPCI Express x1, 3xPCI Express x4, 1xPCI Express x16
|GPU||Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5, 1280 shadars core@1405-1671MHZ, GDDR5@2GHZ, 192-bit bus|
|RAM||G Skill 2x8GB DDR4@2400MHZ F4-2400C16-8GRS|
4 banks of memory available. Two occupied slots are on the hidden side of the motherboard.
|Storage||HDD : 1x2.5" SATA bay|
SSD: M.2 Sandisk 256GB X400 SanDisk SD8SN8U256G1122 (SATA)
M.2: 2 slots, 1xNVMe PCIe M.2 SSD, 1xM.2 SATA
|LCD Panel||In review: 1080p 15.6", LG 156WF6 [DELL P/N: 3874Y], IPS, 30-pin eDP|
|Weight / Dimensions||~2.5kg / 5.5 lbs, PSU 0.7-0.8kg|
385 x 271 x 24.9 mm
15.16” x 10.67” x 0.98”
(w x d x h)
|Keyboard||multicolor backlit, 4 levels including off|
|Connection Ports||right side: Kensington Lock, RJ-45, 1xUSB 3.0, 2xUSB 3.1 gen2 Type-C, Card Reader, SIM slot, S/PDIF digital output, Microphone, headphone|
Left: USB 3.0, HDMI 2.0 (maybe 1.4; will check), 2xmDP 1.3
Rear: 1xUSB 3.0, AC
|WiFi / Ethernet||WiFi: Killer Wireless-n/a/ac 1535 Wireless Network Adapter|
Ethernet: RealTek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
|Speakers||2x2W Onkyo speakers, above the keyboard surface|
|Battery||4 cell, 62Wh|
|Bios / EC version (test unit)||1.05.01 /|
|Extra features||Embedded TPM 2.0|
The build quality is more or less the same as the previous Clevo P650RE. Outer lid is rather firm against direct 90 degrees pressure, but it can be twisted rather easily and the hinges don’t feel that strong either and should be handled gently. The base unit’s build quality is ok, but not great – you can twist it by holding the opposite corners and twist, but it’s not easy to do so and I wouldn’t worry. Keyboard surface will also yield (a bit!) under high pressure, but that’s also a quality of a keyboard that is easily replaceable. I wouldn’t worry and it’s not interfering with typing.
Overall, build quality is ok, nothing to get fancy about, nothing to worry too much. The screen’s outer lid will provide some protection if the laptop is closed, more than the MSI GS43VR for example.
The P650RP6 looks are the simple plastic with metal finish or metal. It doesn’t look too cheap. Those who don’t like flashy styling will find such a machine a good option, visually.
Maintenance and inner parts
Maintenance is rather easy. The backplate is easily removed by removing ~10 screws. You’ll find two M.2 storage connections, one of the is a SATA M.2 port and the second one is an M.2 PCIe NVMe port. Two memory slots are free and the other two are located on the back of the motherboard.
CPU and GPU are soldered in this machine. The cooling system looks very much like the previous model, with dedicated three heatpipes and two fans for the GPU and two heatpipes for the CPU and a single fan (plus the cooling plate is touching the fan plate). Additional heatpipe connecting both could be great.
Keyboard. The keyboard is rather good. I think it is very similar or the same as before: feedback (Have I finished with the click?) and response (how quickly the key is back for another click) are very good. travel depth is good for this kind of keyboard. I do feel that the experience is not even across all keys and it’s slightly felt. Not all keys have the same feedback level (or is it my fingers?). Also, I think that a little more resistance would be good.
The keyboard is a backlit keyboard with programmable colors, which I like very much. Colors seem a little dull compared to the GT62VR, but I liked it nontheless. I took purple and green.
Bottom line – a good keyboard. Not a great keyboard, but a good keyboard. A little more fine tuning and even key quality could be great.
Touchpad. The touchpad is basic with simple texture, but that’s ok. It works well and has two separated buttons. I found it a little annoying to scroll with two fingers as the touchpad would not respond very quickly or well if your fingers aren’t synchronized enough, maybe it’s a software issue. Bottom line, that’s an average touchpad.
Finally sufficient. I may be wrong, but I think Clevo just upped their game with speakers that actually cost more than five cents. The 2 x Onkyo speakers provide boxy, yet pleasant sound, including reasonable bass. I’m not an audiophile, but the mids are a strong point with some richness and deepness, subjectively. Lows and highs are great, but at least they exist, which is better than previous generations (nbc review says it might be the same for the P651RP6, but I don’t remember it like that). Maximal volume isn’t that high and don’t expect to blow the roof with these speakers.
Overall, sufficient speakers. A subwoofer would have been nice. A good upgrade over last generation if I remember correctly.
The numbers are a little low in some benchmarks, like Metro and Ashes Of Singularity. I’ve spent lots of time trying to figure it out, but I couldn’t (still trying). In AoS, the CPU framerate score is a lot lower compared to the GT62VR. 3DMark Time Spy CPU score is also quite low. There is some obvious problem, but I don’t know what it is currently – clocks are very good, temps are relatively low.
UPDATE: A fresh install of Windows 10 1607 seem to improve performance in some games. It also seems that the MSI GT62VR 6RD I was comparing too has a more aggressive GPU policy and higher default core clocks. Not much, but it has some affect.
Thief sees some advantage using Mantle API over the DX11. Heavily Vulkan/DX12 optimized games/game engines should see much higher improvements.
The new Total War stuff. The 3D engine has been vastly improved and performance is much better than in the case of Total War : Attila
Pascal GPUs finally see some performance improvements from DX12 utilization.
Utilization seems to be hitting the maximal capacity of the I7-6700HQ in this machine. I suspect that the GTX 1060 doesn’t show it all here, nor in other laptops with an I7-6700HQ probably
The new Fallout 4 is rather demanding, but the benefits of the high graphics presets are not clear to me.
The new ARK: Survival Evolved is not completely cooked yet, so don’t take these results too hard. The game obviously need some real optimisations, FPSs are really low and it seems that for nothing, more or less.
As described before, the GPU has three dedicated heatpipes and two fans, the CPU has two pipes and one fan. Cool air sucked from the bottom of the machine (hence, it’s important to keep its bottom above the sitting surface) and is thrown from the rear and left ventilation hole.
1. Idle, power saver mode
2. Gaming : Ashes Of Singularity benchmark. “Crazy” settings, “High performance” power mode.
3. Prime95 torture test. “High performance” power mode.
4. Prime95 + Furmark on 900p test, AAx4. “High performance” power mode.
The P650RP6 does well. It also doesn’t get too noisy in the process.
Under high load, like gaming load, most of the keyboard and left palm rest get a little too warm. The bottom of the P650RP6-G does get a little warm as well, under high load.
The P650RP6 chassis generally does get warm while loading the system, but only under high load it becomes annoying. Also, with “Quiet” and “Power Saver” power mods (via the Clevo Control Center), the machine chassis’ temps will remain reasonable.
As you can see, the clocks are pretty good. Under gaming stress of Ashes of Singularity, the clocks are high, around 3.0-3.1GHZ for the CPU and around 1600-1650MHZ for the GPU core, on average.
|Throttle||CPU average stable||CPU MAX||GPU|
|2.7||78||83||75||Prime95 + Furmark|
|3.1||70||73||75||Ashes Of Singularity|
The P650RP6 has several use profiles. With “Quiet” or “Entertainment”, the laptop is pretty quiet while doing the usual stuff. Under “performance” mode, the fans noise will be often quite noticeable even when doing non-demanding tasks.
Under full load, the fans do spin much faster and produce higher noise, but relatively not that much and the noise is not too annoying. The laptop is not as quiet as the MSI GT62VR, but not as loud as the GS43VR, for example.
* I should probably get some equipment to do more precise measurements, but these are my subjective impressions.
The Clevo P650RP6 comes with the same LG LP156WF, which is a partial name. This model is used in other laptops as well and it’s generally good, but not great. PWM could not be detected (although that’s not the panel quality, but the laptop’s quality). I do think that it’s time for a higer quality 1080p IPS display. Contrast and response times should be a lot better in an $1500 laptop, if you ask me. Ofcourse, this “should” isn’t compatible with the market rules.
The XRite i1Display reading (different from the Spyder5Elite):
|Contrast||White Luminence||Black Luminence||Screen Brightness|
With 62Whr battery, and relatively high power consumption, the battery running times aren’t that great as other laptops with Optimus system.
There was a phenomenon/issue/bug, in “Hybrid” GPU mode, where the Nvidia GPU being fired up for nothing, as a result of clicking some file/app or another, not related to 3D. It shouldn’t happen and it makes battery running times lower compared to laptops with a well working Optimus system.
Overclocking the GTX 1060 was relatively stable. I had no problem with OC at all, but I think that part of the reason is that the GPU policy isn’t too aggressive from the first place. That’s part of the reason why the scores are generally lower than the GT62VR’s scores, I think.
- +167MHZ for the GPU core (~10 to top non boost clocks). The clocks
- +400MHZ to GDDR5 (8->8.4GHZ effective, 5% improvement)
- Ashes Of Singularity, DX12, 1080p, “High” preset: 52->55FPS, almost 6% improvement
- Fallout 4, Ultra, 1080p, FXAA: 62->63FPS, almost 5% improvement
- Crysis 3, VH, SMAAx2: 48->52FPS, around 8% improvement
Some game were less fortunate. I would recommend OC’ing the GPU at least a little. Impact on thermals is not big and another 5% could be nice.
- “System and Compressed Memory Service” high CPU usage. Had to reinstall Intel and NV drivers as well as Intel’s rapid storage drivers.Never really stopped. Still searching for a solution – seems to be fixed after a fresh install of Windows OS
- Under high load, sometimes the WiFi could have troubles
- Nvidia Optimus not working efficiently, firing up the NV GPU when unneeded – seems to be fixed after a fresh install of Windows OS
- Strange low FPSs in some cases (Ashes Of Singularity, Metro) while no throttling – again, fresh install of the OS improved the performance a bit.
There are some models with GTX 1060 for the same price, if OS and 16GB RAM is included, but many won’t need a new OS copy and can buy cheaper ram themselves. Let’s check some:
- Asus GL502VM (Amazon, Newegg, eBay), $1300-$1400 without an SSD. Has G-Sync (no Optimus), 1080p IPS display, 16GB 2133MHZ RAM, no MXM, no TB3. Comes with Windows OS.
- MSI GT62VR 6RD (Amazon), review – Heavier and larger. slightly better cooling., MXM GPU, no Optimus option, same display. Slightly higher FPSs in some games, unclear why.
- MSI GE62 with the same specs. I can’t see its advantage except being maybe a little more lightweight.
- 17.3″ version of both
- Soon: the new Alienware 15 and probably cheaper Gigabyte P55W v6
GTX 1070 options:
- Clevo P650RS for around $1500-$1600 for basic configuration
- Asus GL502VS for around $1550-$1700 (there are deals from time to time)
- Soon, Alienware 15 and some more
Generally, at this point I’d recommend waiting with the purchases.
The machine itself is quite convincing. It has it all in today’s standard, with lots of connections ports and storage options, for such a laptop, with good basic components like the keyboard and display. Even the speakers got an upgrade if I’m not mistaken. Build quality is probably not that great, but it’s not that bad either, and there are $1500 laptops that are not as good (GL502?). As a result of this, accompanied by the usual GTX 1060 + I7-HQ performance, the P650RP6 strongest point is its value/price ratio. For around $1300-$1350 you can get the system with G-Sync, 8-16GB RAM (installed alone probably) and a 1TB 7200RPM HDD, no Windows. Some resellers probably have some discounts over this price. So if you don’t need the OS and can find your way with RAM upgrades, you should get a very good laptop with very high value/price for $1300-$1400. Talking about this specific machine from HIDEvolution (The “EVOC” brand), it’s worth mentioning that it would be shipped with a modded Prema bios, officially. The Prema bios should unlock many options and perhaps some more performance – it’s not available at this point.
However, the Asus GL502VM for $1400 with the same specs and Windows OS is a strong competitor, but its thermal performance, connection ports plate and storage options are not as good. Plus less locked bios. UPDATE: The GL502VM (review) isn’t as good as the P650RP6 in my opinion, in more than one aspect: mostly thermals and connection ports selection
Important to note that currently my machine gets considerably lower scores in some benchmarks, no matter what I do. I think it might be something with the OS installation that gone wrong, because there are some other software issues as well. I’ll update about the situation when I’ll have more information. UPDATE: fresh OS install improved the situation. Also, GPU overclocking helped closing the gap with the MSI GT62VR 6RD numbers. Seems like the GT62VR has more aggressive GPU clocking policy. Check Overclocking section. However, it seems that in some games the FPSs are noticeably lower, no matter what I do, even with GPU OC – Metro LL, Ashes Of Singularity (vs GT62VR), Rise Of The Tomb Raider and Crysis 3. The difference isn’t big in most cases, but it’s there and unclear to me. It may be the GPU, but I think it could be something else. Let’s wait for the Prema bios update and see.
At this point of time, as new models are still on their way, I would not recommend getting a laptop for such a price unless you get some amazing deal. But, compared to the competition of 15.6″ low weight gaming laptop, the Clevo P650RP6 has an edge, especially with the Prema bios. However, if you don’t care too much about the smaller body and lower weight, I’d consider the MSI GT62VR instead, which can be found for like $1450-$1550 with 128GB SSD and 1TB, has an MXM GPU, Windows OS and – I think – better thermal, but it has its downsides too (Read).
Bottom line, the P650RP6 is a good machine. It has some competition too, but for a smaller frame gaming laptop, it is on the top of the competition probably, with good connection ports selection, G-Sync + Optimus and a very good thermal solution compared to others, including the Asus GL502VM (same price, but better feature-set and thermals). You should think carefully what are your preferences and weigh your options. Feel free to ask!